Question:
Should the military enforce access rights of military fathers on this Fathers Day Weekend?
2011-06-17 13:18:50 UTC
At the minimum, 40% of divorced and single fathers will not be allowed to see their children this weekend. For active duty military, who have court ordered rights to see their children by video hookup, should the military be willing to send MPs, of some other military representatives to the homes of the mothers as a show of force to encourage them to obey the orders? As the orders are generally unenforceable otherwise, as the courts often will not hold the mothers in contempt, perhaps this might work for good mental health of men in combat zones.
Eight answers:
31bSoldier
2011-06-17 13:25:07 UTC
While I see where you are going with that...no, we shouldn't send MP's out to do that. for numerous reasons:



(1) If the mothers/children live off post, the MP's have no jurisdiction. The women have every legal right to close their doors on the MP's with NO reprecussions.



(2) If you send "other military representatives", same problem, they have no jurisdiction.



(3) The whole timing thing. How would it be possible to ensure that the correct fathers are there at the right time. How can you ensure the mothers have internet/webcam to begin with? Are you talking about bringing them somewhere where there is net/cam? If so, and they say no and your "show of force" makes them, that is "kidnapping" and "false imprisonment."



(4) We are not a Nazi state. There are laws. If the mother is not abiding by them, then there are proper channels to fix it. Not a "show of force."



Overall, great intentions, horrible plan.
conranger1
2011-06-18 01:45:06 UTC
However in your main question title you use the words "Should the military ENFORCE access rights of military fathers on this Fathers Day Weekend?"



Seems you can make your mind up.



And Military Police have no legal rights under Military or Civil Law to enforce anything with this situation.
2011-06-23 03:46:28 UTC
Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 - Limits the use of US Armed Forces from participating in civilian law enforcement operations without Constitutional or Congressional authorization (on non-federal property).



Owned.
2011-06-17 13:51:56 UTC
So you want to send military police into civilian homes (hope you know the majority of families do not live on base) to enforce the child to be placed in front of a computer camera? You can't force civilians to obey military orders. This is a civil matter, not a military matter. You cannot force men to sit in front of a computer while deployed to sit and speak to their child via computer either. You cannot force men to be on base/MWR at a specific time in a damn combat zone to speak via computer either.



You have officially left the reservation. I have seen your past posts. You hate the female sex. You hate mothers. You are the type of man that thinks that women are worthless as mothers as well. You clearly hate children if you want military police to show “force” upon minors.



And to address your statement of “perhaps this might work for good mental health of men in combat zones.” --- What is your deal? I would not be mentally healthy knowing military authorities are entering my home to FORCE my child do anything. Unlike you, I love my children and care about their well being. I do not want the military forcing anything upon my child. I served willingly for a constitution I believe in; nowhere in that constitution does it permit military authorities to impose physical force in my own HOME upon my child. You need to use your brain.









To your edit: What the hell does “show of force” mean? Does it mean you want the ex-wives slapped around in front of the kid? Want them to rough the women up? Want the MP’s to break things until the child agrees to do as the military authorities say? Yea, you really care about that child huh?



You left the reservation. Unlike you, I don’t want any show of force by the military in my home.
2011-06-17 13:21:50 UTC
It would be nice for the fathers to see their children, especially when on tour... but I think that the trauma to the children, having strangers invade their home to supervise a web-chat... would be far too much. The children's best interests should always come first... if both parents remembered that then there would be no need for mediation.
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2016-10-05 07:22:50 UTC
i like the assumption of the protection rigidity fathers viewing their toddlers via making use of the internet, divorced or no longer. yet for the MPs to take place on the mothers door so as to instruct the custodial discern "we advise corporation", i'm sorry, yet that is going too some distance... truthfully, yet another answer may well be labored out..
2011-06-17 13:59:49 UTC
So basically you want a military state where they have power to walk into our homes and tell us what to do?



Yea buddy, I ain’t buying it. I served and think this is a horrible idea. I in no way, no how would ever support this. I also don't have to worry about it because legally, in this country, it is impossible.
Mrsjvb
2011-06-17 13:21:34 UTC
of course not. that is a CIVIL matter and the Military by Congressional mandate may NOT get involved with legal civil matters.


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