Are people in the armed services for over 10 years lazy if they are still enlisted and not a officer?

Question

Personally, I think this is totally true. I have friends in armed services who agree with me. No wars were going on when most of these people started ( E-5's and up ) and getting a degree in the military standard takes about 2 years if stationed in the US.

Answer 1

You didn't say what country their Army is in. It certainly isn't US Army!



One normally doesn't go from Enlisted to Officer in the Army. Many enlisted people I know got commissions and resigned them in short order to regain their enlisted status. At best, they might become Warrant Officers, which is different from ordinary officers.



Only a 2LT would even think that. An officer wouldn't know how to function without his NCO's! The good officers even admit it.



As for the degree, most of us have to do that on our own time. If you got to go to school on Army time, it is probably because no one wanted you on the job (you were a dud).

Answer 2

You obviously were looking to piss off a lot of people weren't you. To sit there and come to the conclusion that enlisted personnel with 10+ years who choose not to go officer are lazy is completely ridiculous. There are many enlisted personnel in each branch of service who would rather do 30 years enlisted than do 1 year as an officer. Becoming an officer has its perk but it does come with a lot of baggage. And simply because you're an officer don't think you get anymore respect than any enlisted personnel. Yes the military is built on a rank structure but rank isn't always EVERYTHING in the military and it doesn't always get you where you want to go, respect also is a factor as well. And also an AA, BA, or any other further degree doesn't automatically contitute a person becoming an officer. You and friends are definately uneducated, very ignorant, and extreamly misinformed. You're the type of person who becomes an officer in the military and no one has any respect for you as a person.

Answer 3

negative. It all depends on what route they want to take. My uncle is an E-9 (master chief) in the Coast Guard. He also has his doctorate. He enlisted with a bachler degree when he was in his early 20s (a bit older than your typical SRs) He was able to advance pretty quickly because he had the discipline that an 18 years old simply does not have yet. He was given the option to make officer and go to OCS but chose enlisted just because he likes being at small boat stations which he spent the majority of his career at (he only did 2 tours underway) There are no officers at small boat stations. He also like being the boss where he goes an as a master chief there is rarely anyone higher than him. He just loves being in charge, has superior leadership skills and loves the work of enlisted more than the work of an officer. Up to last year he was on small boats doing law enforcement and search and rescues. You'll never find an officer on a small boat doing LE or SARS or any of what he calls "fun stuff" officers in the Coast Guard are usually stuck in a cubicle. if he wanted to work in a cubicle he wouldn't have enlisted...he could be making over $250,000 doing desk work for a civilian company but he rather have fun.

Answer 4

Sounds like you have no idea how the Military works. In order to become an "Officer" you have generally gone thru one of our Military Academy's and received at at minimum a Bachelors Degree. If you have earned a BA while serving as an enlisted man or woman you do not automatically get promoted to LTJG.



Why would they be lazy for not becoming an Officer? What if they like what they are doing and where they're at. I've been in the Fire Service for years and there are those that spend 20 years as a firefighter and never bother to promote, they like what they do and they're good at it.

Answer 5

No. in case you have served a minimum of four years enlisted you will initiate off on the O1-E paygrade, it rather is extra advantageous than your established style new lieutenant. you will get tossed out from any rank in case you do no longer meet the subsequent in a special time, from E-a million to 0-10, it rather is purely lots longer for the better pay grades. it is not time in provider that evidently at, it's time in grade. while you're required to get promoted from O-3 to O-4 interior say..5 years (i don't be attentive to the rather quantity) that 5 years would not initiate till you attain O-3, you may desire to have 5 years interior the provider once you hit O-3 or you'll be able to have been enlisted for a protracted time and have 15 years in once you hit O-3, the time dispensed for making O-4 is precisely an identical. Granted in case you were enlisted for 15 years you in all possibility are not going to make O-6 before it's time so you might retire.

Answer 6

ROFLMAO



You're either a liberal, young or you're a young liberal who knows nothing about rank in the military. MOST people can't go to officer from being enlisted in normal circumstances. To get that promotion they would have to be in a battle zone in a war with no other officers available and even then it's only a temporary commission and usually doesn't become permanent. Officers have to have a college education and after being accepted to it they have to go through OCS training. It's not something that an NCO wants to go through besides, I would NEVER want to become a paper pusher which is basically what officers are.

Answer 7

No, what a ridiculous thing to say. Not everyone needs a college education to be successful and not all enlisted people want to be officers. Before you start making statements like this, how about you get off your lazy a55 and join the service, where you are on call 24/7/365 and can be deployed at any time, and also try to raise a family and go to school?

Answer 8

depending on the MOS (job) that they do an enlisted person may never become an officer. There are only so many slots open for OCS and not all MOS's can transfer from enlisted to officer easily.



There may not have been wars going on but my husband has been in 10 years and he is an NCO...but he is also a mechanic...all of his coursework revolves around making sure he is competent in making sure everything runs...plus when you work 50-60 hours a week when are you supposed to go to school?



And BTW...you have to have a 4 year degree to go to OCS, I believe...not a 2 year Associates.



That is the most asinine statement i have heard in quite a while.

Answer 9

No, being enlisted isn't really a path to becoming an officer. And, getting a degree doesn't automatically mean someone is an officer.



Some people also just don't have the capacity to be an officer or to have a higher education.

Answer 10

There is a lot more to becoming an officer than an education. Becoming an officer isn't a "degree". It's even more difficult to go from enlisted to officer than it is to come in as an officer.



That being said, am I lazy if I work for a company and never become management or am I just happy doing what I do? It's a ridiculous and ignorant proposition.

Answer 11

No. I knew a CSM at Fort Hood who was working on his PhD. Not many officers do that.



It has nothing to do with laziness. You can become a 2LT without even having a degree these days, or you can get a degree through a diploma mill and go through OCS that way.



If everyone became an officer, there would be no senior NCO leadership, and the military would fail.

Answer 12

Wow, how naive.



My husband has been in the Army for 14 years. He has a Bachelor's Degree in Criminal Justice. It took much longer than 2 years-- it took almost 6, due to just not having time to complete coursework with his demanding work schedule. He was deploying and working long hours long before Iraq/Afghanistan. He's been deployed to Siani, Panama, Kosovo, Haiti and Rwanda, not to metion he spent a year stationed unaccompanied in Korea and has spent several months away at a time attending schools, training, field exercises, TDY's, etc.



He's an enlisted soldier, with no desire to switch to officer. Having a degree doesn't make him an officer. To call him lazy makes me laugh-- on the contrary, he chose to stay enlisted so he could be more hands on with his soldiers instead of dealing with the politics and paperwork.

Answer 13

To make senior NCO ranks you have to have a degree and not just an associates, the whole officer thing is pointless I havent met a competent one yet, its the Senior NCO's who run everything, and no its kind of hard to be accepted into OCS after being in for a while and Army/Air Force are downsizing their officer corps right now. Before the wars the military was downsiizing so I doubt there was much chance in crossing over then either. Another thing is a lot of the better NCO's are disliked by officers and higher ranking individuals at least in my experience they are, its the little bi tch NCO's the officers love and refer to such schools.

Answer 14

No, they had to be balance, offier made up about 10% of the force, also not every one wanted to become officer, because the will lose some freedom like can't hang out with enlisted, and has to take more resposible. However many branch like Navy, is gonna award extra point for promotion for those to earn a degree, like higher rank E-7 and up require degree, is not require but does help.

Answer 15

No.



I mean, think about it... you're saying that First Sergeants and Sergeants Major are lazy?



Also, bear in mind that getting a degree does NOT mean that a person becomes an officer. A lot of enlisted people have degrees.

Answer 16

I HAVE TO DISAGREE. Many individuals, who spend time, in the Military, do it because they like what they are doing, & to some people, Rank is Not that Important.

It is the job performance that counts.

Just recently a 55 yr old man, was able to "re-join" the military

& he had been discharged, several years ago...& his story,

made the Front Pages of Newspapers, around America.

To him, Rank is Not That Important. He wanted to Join With the

Younger Soldiers, so That He Could Be a Good Example to Them.

He is already being given the Title of Gramps, but hey, he enjoys

that too.

I'M PROUD OF THAT MAN. HE'S CHOOSING TO DO WHAT HE

LOVES BEST...PROTECT THE FREEDOMS...OF AMERICA, THAT THE REST OF US...ARE ENJOYING, INCLUDING THOSE YOU HAVE...EACH DAY...THAT YOU AREN'T SERVING IN THE MILITARY.

TO ME, THIS IS A BIGGEE.

I VALUE MY FREEDOMS & MY MOTTO IS THIS:

"EVERY DAY IS A GOOD DAY, TO ...SHOW A MILITARY SOLDIER THAT YOU / WE DO CARE ABOUT THEM...AND

...EVERY DAY ...IS A GOOD DAY...TO ...THANK A VETERAN".

View the Website of : veterans for common sense.org

Read the Stories of Reality / Of Love / Of Struggles, by a Military

Soldier...thousands who are Proud to Have Served.

Veterans who are age 85, are Proud to Be able to Help Another Veteran...Even Soldiers of Active-Duty / Disabled / Paralyzed

Veterans.

(Then tell me, HOW BAD THE MILITARY LIFE IS). It's as Bad, As Your Attitude is, while you are in there / after you are Discharged.

(Attitudes can be Adjusted...just ask a Soldier who has received

time in Lock-up OR BEEN DISCHARGED, "WITHOUT ANY VA BENEFITS".

(Each Day, that Our American Freedoms are Protected, by an

American Soldier / Veteran, that is a GOOD DAY, for all of us !!) TF

Answer 17

YOU AWNSERD MY Q EARLIER AND YOU ARE OBVOUISLY THE BIGGEST AHOLE. FOR YOUR INFORMATION MY HUSBAND HAS 11YRS IN THE ARMY IS AN E-6 HAS TWO ASSOCIATE DEGREES AND IS A CERTIFIED FORD AND DODGE MECHANIC! HE IS DEFFINTLY NOT LAZY BY NO MEANS! SOLDIERS IN THE ARMY WITH OVER 10 YEARS IN DO IT BECAUSE THEY LOVE THEY'RE COUNTRY!! AND SAYING THAT JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE A NCO AND NOT AN OFFICER MAKES THEM LAZY IS RIDICULAS! ASK ANY OFFICER WHO HAS THE HARDER JOB AN NCO OR AN OFFICER HANDS DOWN WITH NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THEY WOULD SAY AN OFFICER!!!



YOU NEED TO GET YOUR OWN EDUCATION AND LEARN WHAT A SOLDIERS JOB REALLY IS BEFORE YOU MAKE COMMENTS LIKE YOU HAVE! WHILE YOUR AT IT LEARN HOW TO RESPECT YOUR COUNTRY!!!

Answer 18

University degrees aren't for everyone - there are those of us who choose to study, and those seeking employment in avenues that don't need a degree, and hence are of little use.



What good is a Liberal Arts degree to a tradesman, a truck driver or a firefighter? Wait, scratch that. What good is a Liberal Arts degree to anyone, besides an opportunity to bludge work for 18 year old girls?



Not every graduate makes a good leader, and not every leader needs to be a graduate. Though I have noticed quite a lot of career soldiers tend to drop the ball and get fatter when the fitness standards they need to achieve lower.

Answer 19

Dumb assumption! So you get an Army of nothing but officers. Who is going to do all the grunt work. The backbone of any Army is the enlisted, they are the ones that get the job done, Not the officers, I repeat NOT the officers!





USMC 68 Vietnam

Answer 20

Some probly are lazy. But most "career" soldiers are not lazy. Most E-5's and above don't want to be an officer. Most higher enlisted work harder than most officers.

Answer 21

so we should have an army with nothing but officers? maybe some people love where they are. maybe some do not seek to make a career out of the military. maybe some want to acquire other skills in the military.

Answer 22

you are truly ignorant, i worked about 80 hrs a week my first few years of my enlistment and not all commands are very gracious about letting their marines go to school

Answer 23

What makes you think everyone wants to be an officer?