Soldier promotion to E-4 (Automatic)?

Question

I was curious, I have a soldier who is supposed to be recieving his automatic promotion to Specialist next month for having 24 months Time In Service. Is it possible for a First Sergeant to require the soldier to attend a Soldier of the Month Board in order to recieve a automatic promotion? From what I understand those automatic promotions are done by HRC, and I don't believe that you can deny a soldier a automatic promotion for not wanting to attend a Soldier of the Month Board ( I understand it's good for the soldier to go, and the soldier should) Any information on this?

Answer 1

AD is correct.



If the soldier is eligble for automatic promotion to E4, the only way to stop the promotion is the Co Cdr must submit a DA 4187 flagging the soldiers



DA 600-8-19, Chapt 2-3d, "If a unit CDR elects not to recommend a Soldier for promotion on the automatic promotion date, then a DA Form 4187 denying the promotion will be submitted not later than the 20th day of the month preceeding the month of automatic promotion."



With an automatic promotion, the Commander does not recommend promotion. A list of eligble soldiers is given to the CDR, the promotions will go through unless the CDR actively submits a DA 4187 to flag the soldier.



AR 600-8-19 Chapt 2-3e, "The DA Form 4187 denying the promotion (in lieu of DA Form 268) will be used by the BN HR to initiate a FLAG transaction using code PA as the initial and reason code and input the transaction into the automated system. This will stop an automatic promotion. The FLAG must be closed using FLAG code PE not later than the second working day following the date the Soldier would have been automatically promoted."



Unfortunately, since going to the SotM board is suppose to be voluntary, It would be very difficult to deny the promotion on that basis.



If your First Sergeant does this, I strongly suggest that you and the soldier make an appointment to see the JAG Attorney assigned to your Brigade. He/She will most likely work out the SJA office at Division HQ in the Crim Law Section. He may not be able to help but he should be able to direct you to to who can. If all else fails, go to the IG's office.

Answer 2

There is no such thing as a automatic promotion at all for ANY RANK . there are GUIDELINES

and they are just that guidelines . AS a former first sergeant my self I can promise you I held up more then my fair share of promotions for a host of reason . or for no reason other then I didn't want to promote some one



The Company commander is the Promoting Authority from E - 1 to E-4 HRC has zero say

As long as the PFC has met the time in grade /time in service requirements has been a good soldier . and in this case attended the Soldier of the month board he will be promoted . If he doesn't he won't



The First Sergeant has ever right at his or her discretion to give or not give a recommendation . The CO can promoted with or with out it



However I will tell you in the 3 years I served as the company first sergeant . not one of my men ever got promoted with out my say so ..this is How much the CO values the input of there first sergeant









EDIT: If there is one thing I can not stand in yahoo Answers are people that post things that they have no idea what they are talking about AJ is FAMOUS for this ..



the promoting authority for ranks E-1 to E-4 is the company commander . Yes the company commander sends up the required forms as to why he is not promoting a soldier .you can believe what ever you may . but i DAMN SURE promise you a soldier in the ranks of E-1 to E-4 do not get promoted automatic I dont care what ANYONE on here thinks or says differently .



If the CO and First sergeant say no . you are not getting promoted PERIOD

Answer 3

Your First Sergeant will need a good reason to deny your Soldier a promotion to E-4. 18 months is the minimum time in service requirement to get promoted to E-4 (if you're not an E-4 already due to joining as one) with a waiver but at 24 months it's automatic. Your commander would need to flag your Soldier, issue a 4187 denying promotion, or issue a bar to enlistment to stop them from getting E-4 at 24 months since HRC will do it automatically at his 24 month mark. I seriously doubt he would even try to flag him over not going to a Soldier of the Month board, he would need something bigger to do so such as misconduct or an APFT failure. The most I could see your 1SG doing is telling the commander he refuses to promote him officially, meaning he'll be walking around with PFC on despite his LES saying he's a SPC.

Answer 4

I can vouch for AD being correct. When I was on active duty, they retired my radar equipment and left me to be a go-fer or a scut for over a year. I was not very happy with this and my motivation sank. I was even open to saying that I wasn't interested in a promotion to E-4 because I didn't believe in being promoted based on scut work. However, when my 24 months of TIS came around, they promoted me to E-4 anyway, even considering my poor performance as a soldier.

Answer 5

There are no automatic promotions.



The minimum time in grade requirement for promotion to E-4 is 24 months time in service



But your Commander must sign off and approve the promotion.



IE: they do not have to promote you to E-4 at 24 months TIS

Answer 6

Da Form 268

Answer 7

Automatic promotions are only automatic when a service members recieves a reccomendation for promotion. Its part of that paperwork that higher ups do that lower grades dont see. For the most part everyone recieves the reccomendation on time without doing anything extra, but nonetheless a supervior still needs to put reccomended for promotion.

Answer 8

any rank is never automatic, you have to be recommended by the CO and yes he can say you must go through the board first.. NEVER NEVER Assume rank is guaranteed by any means.. You work hard for it, and your SQD Leader, PLT SGT and PLT LDR recommends to the CO and the CO has his Admin team do a 4187 promoting him. E1-E4 is the only time the CO can approve.