Question:
Will somebody please point out to the Americans that?
anonymous
2007-10-24 06:16:22 UTC
They didnt give the British any thing during the last war.They made us pay for it and we have only just finished the payment nearly 60 yrs later.Some friends they turned out to be.And will just one of them admit that if Britain had not declared war on Germany in 1939 then they would be speaking German now?
Please dont tell us about the axis and all that, we know. The American people didnt want to join in the war and they wouldnt have done. Never mind Japan Once they saw which way the war was going they new that if they didnt help out that they were in trouble.America was not a superpower in 1940. Britain was the only s/power we controled 25% of the world but even with all our resorses we didnt have enough, we were bled dry. We ask America for help and the only way that they would help us was if we purchased arms and food. They certainly never gave us anything. This is History not Hollywood. The British almost destoyed them selves trying to stop the Germans from overunning the world.
41 answers:
Michael F
2007-10-24 06:27:30 UTC
I think you need to read alittle bit more:



On 11th March 1941, Congress passed the Lend-Lease Act. The legislation gave President Franklin D. Roosevelt the powers to sell, transfer, exchange, lend equipment to any country to help it defend itself against the Axis powers.



A sum of $50 billion was appropriated by Congress for Lend-Lease. The money went to 38 different countries with Britain receiving over $31 billion. Over the next few years the British government repaid $650 million of this sum.



Churchill had come to Roosevelt and told him that the British were out of money, they were busted. They had no way to continue paying for the supplies which they so desperately needed from the United States. Also there were still on the statute books those neutrality laws which said we couldn't lend the British the money to buy the supplies from us.



So Roosevelt needs to find a means to keep supplying the British without antagonizing the isolationists and particularly the Congress of the United States. The idea that he would go through the Congress was unacceptable to him because he knew it would be hung up in some kind of long-winded and painful debate. And this would demoralize the British more than help them. So he invents this thing called Lend-Lease. And he's marvelous at selling it again to the public.



In essence, Lend-Lease was a way to give the British planes, tanks, guns, artillery, ammunition without them really paying for it.
kristycordeaux
2007-10-24 06:20:35 UTC
Hey, thanks for fighting in your own country to save your own lives. Feel better now?
anonymous
2007-10-24 06:22:28 UTC
I don't know, 140,000 lives sounds like a gift.



You are welcome!!!
anonymous
2007-10-24 06:20:24 UTC
A lot of your assumptions are erroneous, presumably colored by the fact that you simply don't like Americans. That's fine. Feel free. But don't perpetuate incorrect and biased information based on your own prejudices. It's not clever, and it does nothing to foster global harmony.
Richard F
2007-10-24 06:21:52 UTC
Noted. And thanks for all you Brits did fighting Hitler's army.



And the overwhelmingly vast majority of Americans do not believe as you say we believe. Your observations of the past have the beauty of hindsight. The good guys, as a team, won the war. The bad guys lost. As a world population, can't we move past WW2?
anonymous
2007-10-24 06:22:35 UTC
Hmm, we gave you our lives, we lended you ships, say what you want.



How about this what if we had done nothing and were the USA of today and would have surrender to the Japanese after Pearl Harbor.



Liberal news headline:



USA is bombed at Pearl Harbor Fleet Destroyed USA surrenders and gives Japan metal and oil.



Just one way things could have been different be happy we were there.
Jan Luv
2007-10-24 06:30:40 UTC
Before you get on about how America did nothing in WWII you should have your facts correct. Read about the Lend Lease policy established by the USA to help support war efforts..
smoofus70
2007-10-24 06:25:05 UTC
I'm American and I wouldn't give Britain credit for handling the Germans. That credit goes to the Russians.
professor_perv
2007-10-24 06:22:34 UTC
Almost as humourous as the Hllywood version.



Go and do some reading before your next rant. You'll have some facts then...
anonymous
2007-10-24 06:21:24 UTC
Ok, thanks for sharing
kinning_park
2007-10-24 08:41:20 UTC
There is some striking unfamiliarity with history going on here. The lend lease programme was without doubt the salvation of post war Britain. Britain's war debt was repaid at cents on the dollar, and the use of the word "interest" implies usury, which is far from the case, as was evident when the question was raised in the British House of Lords: "The basis of the loan is that interest is paid at 2 per cent. Therefore, we are currently receiving a greater return on our dollar assets than we are paying in interest to pay off the loan. It is a very advantageous loan for us."



None of this even begins to account for the US Allied servicemen who lost their lives fighting the Axis forces, unless one has a dollar rate for corpses too. Such a debt can be repaid only in honour.



It is currently fashionable to be anti-American. It is a pity it too often clouds judgement and distorts and demeans reality. Winston Churchill, who knew a thing or three about the subject, described the US's action in helping rebuild post-war Britain as "the most unsordid act of any nation in history".
deadraindown
2007-10-24 13:38:47 UTC
WWII was not "the last war" in more ways than one.



If any country had the choice on whether to enter any war they would opt not to. Obviously GB had no other option but to enter the war to protect its country and people, as the war was in its backyard and the German war machine was quickly conquering Europe. Britain and France declared war on Germany (September 3) when Germany ignored their demands to cease its attack and withdraw.



I'm already tired of typing so I will just say this:



People that ask questions such as this one and have this belief that their country or race is Superior to all others is precisely the reason WWII or any other war ever starts.



I leave you with this. The real cost of war.



Casualties in WW2



Soviet Union 25,568,000

China 11,324,000

Germany 7,060,000

Poland 6,850,000

Japan 1,806,000

Yugoslavia 1,700,000

Romania 985,000

France 810,000

Greece 520,000

USA 495,000

Austria 480,000

Italy 410,000

Great Britain 388,000

Holland 250,000

Belgium 85,000

Finland 79,000

Canada 42,000

India 36,000

Australia 29,000

Albania 28,000

Spain 22,000

Bulgaria 21,000

New Zealand 12,000

Norway 10,000

South Africa 9,000

Luxembourg 5,000

Denmark 4,000

TOTAL 59,028,000
anonymous
2007-10-24 06:27:36 UTC
America recognizes Britain's contributions and is grateful for the payments. We however would have never been speaking German, we had a few bombs that would have bailed us out if we were ever in any danger on our home front. The British should recognize that Americans did make huge sacrifices during WWII and that our entire country, not only our soldiers, supported the war effort, giving almost all of our labor, material, production, time and taxes toward the war effort. Instead of trying to make division between the members of the winning side wouldn't it be better to say that despite fighting a determined enemy we, AS A UNITED TEAM, won the war.
anonymous
2007-10-25 02:42:44 UTC
Yea i can understand that the British fought hard and died trying to stop the Germans. Thats very true but dont say the U.S. didnt do **** because thats a slap in the face to all that died fighting the war I Dont think hundreds of thousand soilders risking there lives is doing nothing. Both sides fought brave and died for honor. So before you start opening your mouth you should get all the facts. And get some damn respect. I bet if you ask a British soilder they would tell you the same. We helped eachother out we arent enemies so check yourslef. Were F***en allies you dumbass!!!!!
anonymous
2007-10-24 14:30:42 UTC
Thanks, we needed a laugh.



You people NEVER paid us back. We gave Trillions upon Trillions of dollars to Britain.



That would be about 100 trillion dollars today. Your countries entire GDP is a puny 2.3 trillion dollars. You payed us back..Sure ya did. I read that little article written by some brit about how you payed us back. Trust us you didn't..



Another thing...How do you put a price on 450,000 dead Americans. Britain lost 300,000 people the entire war. America was in it for 5 years. 2 years less than Britain and we lost more people. Not to mention we had no civilians being killed. MOST OF BRITAINS casualties.



Tell me this hten. Why did the Nazis surrender to AMERICA and not Russia or Britain? Hitler wanted to continue fighting Russia but wanted to surrender to America.



Anyway..People like you will never understand Nor would I expect you to. It is something only an American can comprehend. Now go back to your depressing country.
clint_slicker
2007-10-24 06:46:19 UTC
Tracey S & professo - Although this is a rant it is also correct. John Major finally paid off the british debt to the USA in 1995, 50 years after the end of the war and would have kept going if Britain hadn't had enough. The same American technique had caused Germany into almost bankruptcy after the First world war and lead to the Nazi party taking control and stopping the payments.



America wasn't effect by the second world war, in fact America benifited and it was one of the most prosperous time to be an american. Everywhere else was bombed into the ground (please look up coventry, London, munich, etc).



Britian lead the world in technology, such as Radar, first Jet Engine (although first jet engine was used on a German plane), etc which had to be given to american in exchange for troops. This included Brtains nuclear program which was years ahead of the Americans.



As people quoted numbers 140,000 (incorrect 418,500 but i'll use figures used) out of 50,000,000 dead in allied countries only. The total Axis dead was only 12,000,000 making a total death count of 62,000,000.



Chris - The Germans had bombers that could reach America. They had also just designed a Fighter and bomber that could fly there and back. The American took this design and created planes like the stealth bomber with it. German Subs were also oftern in New York harbour during the war but the USA didn't bother with them.
supremecritic
2007-10-27 14:04:56 UTC
i agree and would also like to piont out that the american's gave only negilable help during the battle of britain, which ended the invasion threat, so the americans didn,t actually save us from germany they just helped us defeat them.



however you are slightly wrong in your question, america was a richer country by 1939. They over took us during world war 1, when ironically we nearly destroyed our selves fighting the germans.
Martin Luther
2007-10-24 09:39:14 UTC
Britain and France declared War on Germany then proceeded to get their arses kicked with the french folding like a pack of cards before the British ran for Dunkirk and were only saved from destruction by Goring's dithering.



Then they hid on their island as usual until the US came in to bail them out and Hitler declared war on Russia. Had the war only involved Britain and France on the allied side then the war was effectively over less than two years into it.



The US and Russia defeated Germany.
RUESTER
2007-10-24 07:17:08 UTC
Yeah, yeah, yeah, (sounds like a Beatles song). You are right. The United States did nothing to help you Brits out. We OWE YOU, for letting us join in the war effort. You didn't need a thing from us. You would have whipped Germany standing on one leg, arms tied behind your back, and blind folded. You are some crazy, bad people. Dunkirk was one of your finer moments. Along with that great plan, Operation Market-Garden that was developed by the Late Great Immortal B. Montgomery, which resounded in one of the worst defeats in United States or British history. Oh, and don't forget how well you did against Rommel before we low life Americans landed in North Africa. Rommel was running you guys around like the Donkey and the carrot on the stick trick.

And don't forget to forget the American lives lost fighting along side you. That didn't cost you anything.
?
2007-10-24 16:05:12 UTC
Yes mate.



The UK is about to pay off the last of its World War II loans from the US. But it hasn't always been so fastidious.



On 31 December, the UK will make a payment of about $83m (£45.5m) to the US and so discharge the last of its loans from World War II from its transatlantic ally.



It is hard from a modern viewpoint to appreciate the astronomical costs and economic damage caused by this conflict. In 1945, Britain badly needed money to pay for reconstruction and also to import food for a nation worn down after years of rationing.



"In a nutshell, everything we got from America in World War II was free," says economic historian Professor Mark Harrison, of Warwick University.



"The loan was really to help Britain through the consequences of post-war adjustment, rather than the war itself. This position was different from World War I, where money was lent for the war effort itself."





Britain needed to rebuild



Britain had spent a great deal of money at the beginning of the war, under the US cash-and-carry scheme, which saw straight payments for materiel. There was also trading of territory for equipment on terms that have attracted much criticism in the years since. By 1941, Britain was in a parlous financial state and Lend-Lease was eventually introduced.



The post-war loan was part-driven by the Americans' termination of the scheme. Under the programme, the US had effectively donated equipment for the war effort, but anything left over in Britain at the end of hostilities and still needed would have to be paid for.



But the price would please a bargain hunter - the US only wanted one-tenth of the production cost of the equipment and would lend the money to pay for it.



As a result, the UK took a loan for $586m (about £145m at 1945 exchange rates), and a further $3,750m line of credit (about £930m at 1945 exchange rates). The loan was to be paid off in 50 annual repayments starting in 1950, although there were six years when payment was deferred because of economic or political crises.
anonymous
2007-10-24 07:01:09 UTC
While the Americans gave massive aid to Europe and beyond, [The Marshall Plan], they gave nothing to us Brits. We had to pay for every scrap of war material[s] we purchased under a plan called lend lease. This means paying a rental plus interest.



The debt to the USA was finally paid off about ten years ago. We don't owe the Americans a penny.



The American people do not know war and have no understanding of it. I watched Americans in NYC on 9/11 running around light frightened rabbits.



Well, I am a child of the London Blitz - no bomb is gonna get me nor yet will it frighten me.



I frankly expected a great deal more Stoicism from a nation who constantly blows it's own trumpet and which declares it's greatness and prowess in war. A nation which constantly screams on about "Freedom, Liberty and Democracy" yet who's black citizens have even in my own lifetime, been denied the vote and had to sit in parts of the bus separate from whites and could not eat in the same restaurant or bar.



The same army of death which was defeated in Vietnam by an army of small men with bicycles, now stalks the Middle East seeking to redeem itself.



It will be blown away and destroyed.



If the mythical Red Army with all of it's might could not defeat the Mujaheddin [Taliban] how do the Americans propose to do so?



It cannot be done. The British have had two wars in Afghanistan back in the 19th century. The British were defeated both times.



Take a note from history. Wake up.



We owe you nothing and what is worse for you, most of us here in UK don't even give a damn about the Americans.



The world order, so called, will soon be dominated by Russia, China and India. This is the new world.



America is now the old world, worn out and past it; retired.
Chris
2007-10-24 06:38:17 UTC
You did buy the equipment from Lend Lease, but you got a discounted price for it. As for the US speaking German, it was not possible for them to do a cross Atlantic invasion. They, even with the rest of Europe, never had enough shipping to move the amount of equipment, men, and supplies need for an invasion. They would have had to occupy Canada first, build up there, then attack here. The US would have went to war if they would have tried to invade any country in the Americas.
conranger1
2007-10-24 07:35:34 UTC
Your post is not a question but a mild RANT!



Feeling better now??



I,and many of my fellow countrymen & countrywomen deeply appreciate all the help that ALL of our Allies gave us.

America has proved to be a firm friend and ally when needed

and you can't blame the ordinary man and woman on the street if their politicians are slow to act.
care2chess
2007-10-24 06:30:46 UTC
Didn't Americans prove that they most likely wouldn't be speaking German now? When we entered the war our military was not as experienced with combat as the Germans, but in Africa we learned fast! You're right about the fact that American citizens were not in favor of getting involved in another war, but I think you take your "theory" a little to far in suggesting that England was never given anything. If not for American military support, England might be speaking German today. ;-)
Cody B
2007-10-24 09:49:28 UTC
Uhhhm, you guys got into a war you couldnt win, we bailed you out financialy, and physicallys, (anyone remember D Day), yeah you guys fought for your country, but so did we, and you say you paid us back, well why dont you guys send thousands of soldiers this way to replace the ones that were lost.
anonymous
2016-10-23 02:28:53 UTC
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xratedmethod
2007-10-24 06:25:18 UTC
Yes you're correct: If Britain hadn't went to war with Germany, Brits would be speaking German. The United States has already proven they were willing to use the Atomic Bomb. They joined the war after the first enemy was bold enough to cross the sea... a move Hitler never made and wouldn't have succeeded at. You're welcome. };]
anonymous
2007-10-24 06:28:18 UTC
In the 1940's our country (America) was just coming out of a great depression. They could barely help themselves, let alone another country. I think it's time to stop griping about the past, what good does it do you anyway to dwell? It makes you bitter and ugly and causes health problems. Get your head out of the sand and look FORWARD.
anonymous
2007-10-24 06:52:49 UTC
I think when the americans and the brits hit a rough spot they know they are there for each other,thats what neighbours are for. Why cant we just all get along??
anonymous
2007-10-24 06:31:14 UTC
Anything you got AFTER we declared war on Germany was free.

Over half of what you owed was forgiven after the war.

Just be glad we extended credit to you when you needed it.
anonymous
2007-10-24 06:29:42 UTC
911 was a taste of what Britain went through during WW2.

Many nights of terror from V2 bombs during the Blitz.

The Americans would have experienced something similar if we hadn`t stood up against the Germans.
anonymous
2007-10-24 06:46:53 UTC
Britain is Americas lap dog



Tony Blair certainly knew his place in things, you should too!
Mezmarelda
2007-10-24 06:33:25 UTC
Here here.so right ! Not to mention the US was only in the war for 3 1/2 years. Late bloomers I guess.
Dan
2007-10-24 06:26:02 UTC
Wow..... Nice speech... Now get off your pedestal and quit living in the past... Its 2007, not the 1940's...
anonymous
2007-10-24 06:31:35 UTC
They only joined us after they were attacked that's a fact!

They prefer Hollywood's take on things it makes them feel better!

Well done you, have a star...



edit:

We would have been in deep sh*t if they hadn't joined with us, thank you yanks!
nosnibor_jay
2007-10-27 14:09:26 UTC
I F*ucking Agree with you, they are Knobbers
Blokheed
2007-10-24 06:22:02 UTC
I think you already have Buddy, can't say I agree with you though but hey that's my democratic right huh?
MOI
2007-10-24 06:32:06 UTC
the real people who won this war and suffered the most are the Russian... they alone liberated poland and germany from the border to Berlin.... UK and the USA have just come to save the north of france... and not from nazi but from the russian...
Mystical Mamba
2007-10-24 06:26:33 UTC
you sound like my husband

but for the history thing, you're right, especially on hollywood movies and american-made history programmes
anonymous
2007-10-24 06:46:55 UTC
Lighten up!! :-)

here is article from BBC re lend lease



What's a little debt between friends?

By Finlo Rohrer

BBC News Magazine



The UK is about to pay off the last of its World War II loans from the US. But it hasn't always been so fastidious.



On 31 December, the UK will make a payment of about $83m (£45.5m) to the US and so discharge the last of its loans from World War II from its transatlantic ally.



It is hard from a modern viewpoint to appreciate the astronomical costs and economic damage caused by this conflict. In 1945, Britain badly needed money to pay for reconstruction and also to import food for a nation worn down after years of rationing.



"In a nutshell, everything we got from America in World War II was free," says economic historian Professor Mark Harrison, of Warwick University.



"The loan was really to help Britain through the consequences of post-war adjustment, rather than the war itself. This position was different from World War I, where money was lent for the war effort itself."





Britain needed to rebuild



Britain had spent a great deal of money at the beginning of the war, under the US cash-and-carry scheme, which saw straight payments for materiel. There was also trading of territory for equipment on terms that have attracted much criticism in the years since. By 1941, Britain was in a parlous financial state and Lend-Lease was eventually introduced.



The post-war loan was part-driven by the Americans' termination of the scheme. Under the programme, the US had effectively donated equipment for the war effort, but anything left over in Britain at the end of hostilities and still needed would have to be paid for.



But the price would please a bargain hunter - the US only wanted one-tenth of the production cost of the equipment and would lend the money to pay for it.



As a result, the UK took a loan for $586m (about £145m at 1945 exchange rates), and a further $3,750m line of credit (about £930m at 1945 exchange rates). The loan was to be paid off in 50 annual repayments starting in 1950, although there were six years when payment was deferred because of economic or political crises.



Generous terms



It's easy to cough and splutter at the thought of our closest ally suddenly demanding payment for equipment rather than sparing a billion or two as a gift.



But the terms of the loan were extremely generous, with a fixed interest rate of 2% making it considerably less terrifying than a typical mortgage.



Still there were British officials, like economist JM Keynes, who detected a note of churlishness in the general demeanour of the Americans after the war.



Nobody pays off their student loan early, unless they are a nutter



Dr Tim Leunig

His biographer, Lord Skidelsky, says: "Keynes wanted either a gift to cover Britain's post-war balance of payments, or an interest-free loan. The most important condition was sterling being made convertible [to dollars]. Everyone simply changed their pounds for dollars. [Loans were] eaten up by a flight from sterling. They then had to suspend convertibility. The terms were impossible to fulfil."



Anne Moffat, the MP for East Lothian, asked the parliamentary question that revealed the end of the WWII loan after being pressed by an interested constituent. She is a little surprised that we are still paying the Americans off all these years later.



"It is certainly bad that no-one seems to have known about it. It seems to be a dark, well-kept secret."



Historic debts



Yet for Dr Tim Leunig, lecturer in economic history at the LSE, it's no surprise that the UK chose to keep this low-interest loan going rather than pay it off early.



"Nobody pays off their student loan early, unless they are a nutter. Even if you've got the money to pay it off early, you should just put it in a bank and pocket the interest."



And if it seems strange to the non-economist that WWII debts are still knocking around after 60 years, there are debts that predate the Napoleonic wars. Dr Leunig says the government is still paying out on these "consol" bonds, because it is better value for taxpayers to keep paying the 2.5% interest than to buy back the bonds.



In a 1945 state department survey on the US public's attitudes to its wartime allies, Britain was one of the least trusted countries



Dr Patricia Clavin



And while the UK dutifully pays off its World War II debts, those from World War I remain resolutely unpaid. And are by no means trifling. In 1934, Britain owed the US $4.4bn of World War I debt (about £866m at 1934 exchange rates). Adjusted by the Retail Price Index, a typical measure of inflation, £866m would equate to £40bn now, and if adjusted by the growth of GDP, to about £225bn.



"We just sort of gave up around 1932 when the interwar economy was in turmoil, currencies were collapsing," says Prof Harrison.



Nor were we alone. In 1931, US President Herbert Hoover announced a one-year moratorium on war loan repayments from all nations so the international community could properly discuss what it was going to do.



British resentment



Many Britons felt that the US loans should be considered as part of its contribution to the World War I effort.



"The Americans lent Britain a lot. Britain resented making payments," says historian Dr Patricia Clavin, of Oxford University.



And although Britain was unable to pay its debts, it was also owed the whacking sum of £2.3bn.



OUTSTANDING WWI LOANS

Britain owed to US in 1934: £866m

Adjusted by RPI to 2006: £40bn

Other nations owed Britain: £2.3bn

Adjusted by RPI to 2006: £104bn



These loans remain in limbo. The UK Government's position is this: "Neither the debt owed to the United States by the UK nor the larger debts owed by other countries to the UK have been serviced since 1934, nor have they been written off."



So in a time when debt relief for Third World nations is recurrently in the news, the UK still has a slew of unresolved loans from a war that finished 88 years ago. HM Treasury's researchers descended into its archives and were unable to even establish which nations owe money. The bulk of the sum would probably have gone to allies such as nations of the Empire fighting alongside Britain, says Dr Clavin.





Nor is HM Treasury able to say why the UK never repaid its WWI debts - even though, at the time, many Americans took a dim view of repayments being suspended, for they had bought bonds which stood little chance of showing a return on their investment.





The Wall Street Crash helped plunge economies into chaos



Thus despite fighting on the same side in WWII, an air of financial distrust remained after hostilities ended.



"In a 1945 state department survey on the US public's attitudes to its wartime allies, Britain was one of the least trusted countries," says Dr Clavin.



During the crisis years of the 1930s, only one nation continued to pay in full - Finland. Perhaps a conscious effort to foster a good reputation with an increasingly influential power, Finland's actions generated thousands of positive stories in the American media at the time. Nor has it been forgotten; the Finns celebrated this achievement in an exhibition last year.



But for the UK, a reputation for reliability has taken longer to restore.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4757181.stm
bookfreak2day
2007-10-24 06:20:04 UTC
Thanks!


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