F22 Raptor VS Sukhoi PAK FA?

Question

F22 Raptor VS Sukhoi PAK FA?

Answer 1

you know what?



advertisement and propaganda does NOT win the wars. actual machines and men do.



and no, a random pick guy from Russian air force does NOT have Pugachev cobras and whatnots in his training graphicon. so, chill out. the machines will likely be more capable then their pilots long into 2025.

Answer 2

well lets compare



the F-22 is a real fighter, that has actually been built already is in operational squadrons



The Pak FA is a mythical fighter, that only exist in the minds of the russian defense department



now which would you rather have, a real fighter, or a paper fighter ?



2. you have see a mock up of what the pak FA might look like, built on a mig 25 airframe



but they have not designed engines for it yet, nor have they developed the surface coatings



they have done no test flights to work the bugs that always crop up, out of the program yet



your looking at at least 7 years before the first prototype will fly and another 5 years before there is an operational aircraft



3. all the stats you see, are just figments of someones imagination -- since no engines have been designed, how can they know those stats ?



4. now to answer your questions about those mythical stats



the F-22 is a stealth fighter, it doesn't need to be fast, it doesn't need a super high thrust to weight ratio ( since it will never fly supersonic )



The whole purpose of the F-22 is to use AWACS aircraft sensor data or data from other aircraft



and to enter the battle space unnoticed, aquire and fire on enemy aircraft before the enemy aircraft even know the F-22's are within 100 miles of them

Answer 3

Well there are other things to consider in addition to t/w ratios and climb rates.

Answer 4

Pak fa radar is strong but f 22 has low rcs and a strong radar . In terms of detection f 22will detect pak fa 50-60 km away and pak fa will detect f 22 30km away cause pak fa rcs is more than f 22 but irst of pak fa have a detection range of 110km and will detect f 22 60-70 km away cause f 22 resistance against irst . Even then pak fa has the advantage . Even In terms of dogfight,maintainance,manoeuver,range etc pak fa has the advantage . In terms of electronic warfare both are not effective against each other's advanced missiles . In terms of air to air weapons f 22 has aim 120 amraam with a range and speed of 105 km and 4mach and pak fa has k77 missile with same speed and range nearly 200 km and with resistance to electonic warfare systems with a hit to kill probability . That's why pal fa is the best But it seems that people would say f 22 is the best . It was the best but now it's the time for pak fa

Answer 5

Each meets the requirements of its user (presumably - PAK FA is still just a prototype), which is the only thing that matters.

Answer 6

LOL, so your "preference" goes to an airplane that only had its first flight something like 3 years ago and isn't even in service yet? There are less than 10 in existence. The F-22 has been in the air for over 15 years than there are nearly 200 of them, actually IN service. Since China didn't want to get involved with the Sukhoi it's still quite possible that the whole program might just get scrapped before it enters service. And the thrust weight ratio on the Sukhoi is superior by 0.01..... Really? And faster? How do you know? Nobody (in the public anyway) knows the real top speed of either. Besides, that's just top speed. Which can't even be reached by something like a Sukhoi when it has missiles and tanks on the wings. The F-22 keeps its missiles internally, so can reach top speed. And can *cruise* at nearly mach 2. Besides all that stuff you quote only applies in a one on one head to head dogfight. Do you know how many of those there have been in the past few decades? Not many. The F-22 wasn't even really designed for that. It was designed to sneak in, unseen, launch missiles, blow everything else out of the sky still unseen, and go home. Overall in an air superiority role like you mention, rather than a head to head dogfight which you allude to, the F-22 is in a whole different league. If all we were worried about was dog fighting we'd just build more F-15's. In more than 35 years of active service with a number of countries in a number of different conflicts an F-15 has NEVER been shot down by another aircraft.



@ Mike: You are apparently not very familiar with the F-15. When it was designed the Air Force motto was "not a pound for air to ground". It was designed, 100%, as an air superiority dog fighter. It is still, even with the F-22 in service, THE finest dog fighter in the world.(period) And no, I did not say the F-15 has never been shot down. I said it has never been shot down by another aircraft. Which is an undeniable fact. The only F-15's that have ever been shot down were brought down by SAMs or ground fire. The F4 Phantom was flown by a lot of the same countries who fly the F-15 (the US and Israel being prime examples) so pilots of the same caliber up against enemies of the same caliber. Yet despite having seen more air to air action over a longer period of time only has a few more air to air kills than the F-15 but with WAY more air to air losses. Well over 100 in fact. And lets not forget that the F-15 was designed in the early 1970's... First flight was in 1972. It has seen a lot of action against the Mig 23, which was first flown only 5 years earlier. Hardly "outdated" by comparison. And during the first Gulf War the allied pilots were flying up against Iraqi pilots with fresh combat experience in the Iran-Iraq War. Iraqi pilots managed to shoot down several Iranian F-14 Tomcats during that conflict, while flying Migs. Also, the Mig 29 is a 4th generation fighter, just like the F-15. Yet the F-15 has shot down quite a few Mig 29's, with 0 losses. Claiming that the F-15 has never been up against anything but incompetent morons flying outdated aircraft is at best incredibly ignorant, at worst it's outright dishonest.

Answer 7

Come back and talk when there are actual fielded PAK-FAs. Which is going to be until 2016 or so at the earliest, though expect later than that, actually.



Also, come back and talk once the production engines for them get built.



@Mobius One: APA is quite possibly the world's worst website to use when discussing aircraft performance, since it is first and foremost an advocacy site and not an analytical one, and one that has been repeatedly shown to ignore whatever information available to come to a conclusion supporting their own previously held biases. They're just pissed that their plan for the RAAF to arm itself with upgraded F-111s and F-22s (which were never going to be offered for foreign sales) never came about.



Again, to add into my original point and to echo casper's: any discussion of what the F-22 or the PAK-FA can do against each other has to be tempered against the facts that:



a) we only know broad generalities about the unclassified capabilities of both, and it can be assumed that these capabilities, while possibly representative, are not inclusive (to say nothing of possibly being fabricated in the first place-both sides having ample reasons to lie or at least omit the true capabilities of both aircraft)



b) the PAK-FA is currently only a prototype that has not reached IOC, and will not even go before state-trials until, as mentioned, late 2015/early 2016. Thus, you have absolutely no way to compare the two right now.



Frankly, discussions of this sort are only more refined than the juvenile and idiotic "[SOF unit A] vs [SOF unit B]" questions we get on here due to the inclusion of some technical elements.

Answer 8

Sukhoi Pak Fa

Answer 9

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Answer 11

Matt, I wont pretend that I know anything about aircraft. I went to www.ausairpower.nethttp://www.ausairpower.net and the folks on that site seem to believe that it is superior to the F22. Even if it is a superior aircraft can Russia produce enough of them to matter?

Answer 12

Pak Fa Vs F-22

Answer 13

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F22. It is a true stealth aircraft where as the PAK FA is "stealthy" meaning they have yet to develop the technology to produce a true stealth aircraft. That being the case, the F22 will spot the PAK long before being spotted. After that it's all falls down to weapon systems and training.

Answer 14

You can't really compare the Fighter jets seeing as none of them have had any actual combat statistics.



The F-22 has been plagued with problems such as wing rusts and high cost per flying hour and the oxygen tanks poisoning the pilots etc...



Both aircraft are highly manouvarable but the SU-50 is much more manouvarable than the F-22. The designers designed it so the SU-50 could be much more manouvarable than the F-22 during dogfights but it also reduced the SU-50s RCS.



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Truthfully, based on all the simulations and information we know about both air crafts, I would say both air crafts are basically same power in terms of Stealth and Speed.



The SU-50 is more manouvarable and has a higher Rate of Climb and the F-22 is only stealthy when its weapons are in its bay. Once the lower body bays open, it loses alot of its stealth. In a 1-1 dogfight, SU-50 would most likely win because everyone knows maneuverability plays a MAJOR factor in dogfights.



Both air crafts were designed to be stealthy so I don't want any retard saying that one of them aren't stealthy because that would just defeat the purpose of a 5th generation plane.



@George Patton, are you stupid? You saying the F-15 has never been shot down? Why don't you compare what aircrafts that the F-15 was up against and the quality of the pilots? When the F-15 went to war, they were up against low grade pilots and 2nd or 3rd generation planes, your statement is so illogical that words cannot even make up for your arrogance.



Oh and BTW, the F-22 has NEVER seen combat action so no one knows the true effective combat capabilities of both aircrafts, we can only take it face value.

Answer 15

in air combat a lot has to do with how you use what you have got and not what you have got



if a pilot uses the advantages built into his aircraft and plays against the weaknesses of the opposing aircraft he can prevail



the better training he has and the more he knows about the enemy's aircraft the better off he will be



classic example when the israeli payed $1 Million for and Iraqi Mig 21 in 66 learned its capabilities and limitations and then trained the Air force fighters to defeat the Mig



it payed off big time in the 6 day war